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I read a lot of definitive ''should''s and ''should not''s above — rather strident rhetoric — yet my experience on the Internet over the last 20 years or so has suggested that there is nothing definitive about popularity — it has little to do with usability, stability, longevity, or anything else. This is a bit like quoting web log statistics at people. Wikipedia is certainly the most popular wiki in the world, but it's hardly typical, and one might remember that the vast majority of its pages are edited by a relatively small number of people; the viewership is enormous whilst the editorship is not, so people's experience with the syntax isn't as wide as might be implied by the tone of your message, which is almost eschatological. In contrast, there are millions of people editing hundreds of thousands of wikis that aren't in Wikimedia format. The diversity of the wiki community may be seen as a bane, but advocating that JSPWiki dump its native format doesn't necessarily provide it or the larger wiki community with any ''real'' added benefit. Some of these are the same arguments made for Esperanto. If people want to use Wikimedia's notation they are much more likely to simply use the Wikimedia engine. (This coming from someone who's been previously involved in and an advocate for InterWiki and other interchange efforts.)
I rather doubt that due to Wikipedia's popularity its syntax will become an "emerging standard" or "de facto standard" for wikitext. Wikipedia is atypical, just as is Google. I was on both the IETF and W3C HTML Working Groups, developing "standards" for HTML and XHTML that are widely used, but in terms of ''real'' usage (i.e., actual conformance to the specifications) could hardly be claimed to be either an "emerging standard" or "de facto standard" — and we're talking __HTML__ here! So I don't see the arguments you make so strongly as being supported by any relevant evidence, other than the popularity of one atypical wiki site — no matter how popular. The ''One Language For All'' arguments will continue to be heard, but I'm less and less convinced of their efficacy, and they become a distraction from doing other work.
-- MurrayAltheim
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